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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Carmen, that&#039;s truly enlightening. THANK you!! That puts so much in perspective for us. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Carmen, that&#39;s truly enlightening. THANK you!! That puts so much in perspective for us. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. It may not be worth the effort or money for them to do it. I&#039;m sure Diorling isn&#039;t a tiny, tiny portion of what they make from, say, J&#039;Adore. But I sure like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. It may not be worth the effort or money for them to do it. I&#39;m sure Diorling isn&#39;t a tiny, tiny portion of what they make from, say, J&#39;Adore. But I sure like it!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not exactly rushing to market this anyway. As for as I know, it&#039;s only available at the Dior boutique on the avenue Montaigne, at Le Bon Marché department store and chez Roja Dove&#039;s in Harrods. But I agree, they could&#039;ve made more of an effort. Possibly they don&#039;t feel it&#039;s worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#39;re not exactly rushing to market this anyway. As for as I know, it&#39;s only available at the Dior boutique on the avenue Montaigne, at Le Bon Marché department store and chez Roja Dove&#39;s in Harrods. But I agree, they could&#39;ve made more of an effort. Possibly they don&#39;t feel it&#39;s worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if skin chemistry really does play a role here. For me the leather in Kelly Caleche is subtle, but it&#039;s definitely there and you don&#039;t have to look hard for it. But in the new Diorling it takes it&#039;s time showing up and then vanishes, presto! I wish you could smell them side by side on me, and you&#039;d see what a sorry show the new Diorling makes on me. 

I still haven&#039;t smelled either of the Dioramas. I&#039;m going to make a point of it, though, so many people like them both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if skin chemistry really does play a role here. For me the leather in Kelly Caleche is subtle, but it&#39;s definitely there and you don&#39;t have to look hard for it. But in the new Diorling it takes it&#39;s time showing up and then vanishes, presto! I wish you could smell them side by side on me, and you&#39;d see what a sorry show the new Diorling makes on me. </p>
<p>I still haven&#39;t smelled either of the Dioramas. I&#39;m going to make a point of it, though, so many people like them both.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think when Kelly Caleche came out a lot of people were expecting something with more leather. Now that people are ready to take it for what it is--a lovely, subtle, spare leather rose--it&#039;s getting the respect it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think when Kelly Caleche came out a lot of people were expecting something with more leather. Now that people are ready to take it for what it is&#8211;a lovely, subtle, spare leather rose&#8211;it&#39;s getting the respect it deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating! Thank you for this information--and from Kerleo, no less! It makes me treasure my vintage Diorling even more when I think about its components, maybe never to be made again.

I still can&#039;t help but think that if Dior really wanted to, they could take vintage Diorling, run in through a machine to analyze its formula, and even without being able to procure the same bases that they could have forty years ago, come up with a fragrance that is closer to the original than the current Diorling. Of course, maybe they didn&#039;t want to, and not from being cheap, either. Maybe Dior decided that the new Diorling would be more marketable. It&#039;s certainly not as extreme as the old Diorling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating! Thank you for this information&#8211;and from Kerleo, no less! It makes me treasure my vintage Diorling even more when I think about its components, maybe never to be made again.</p>
<p>I still can&#39;t help but think that if Dior really wanted to, they could take vintage Diorling, run in through a machine to analyze its formula, and even without being able to procure the same bases that they could have forty years ago, come up with a fragrance that is closer to the original than the current Diorling. Of course, maybe they didn&#39;t want to, and not from being cheap, either. Maybe Dior decided that the new Diorling would be more marketable. It&#39;s certainly not as extreme as the old Diorling.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You expressed it so beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You expressed it so beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I own all 4 of the perfumes mentioned in comments--new and vintage Diorling and new and vintage Diorama, and I have to say--I love all four.  No, the new ones are not a match for the amazing originals, but I find them lovely in their own right.  And when I wore the new Diorling during the sniffa in Paris, I got MANY complimets from the other perfumistas--and I smelled plenty leathery, we all thought (not floral at all).  My secrets:

1)  I think my often skin brings out leather (in a good way) in perfume.  But maybe not--cause I couldn&#039;t even smell the leather in the Hermes, and the new Diorling, it is clearly there.  I FAR prefer this to the H.

2) I really DRENCHED myself in it (if I didn&#039;t, no one could smell anything at all).  

Since all my fellow &quot;sniffers&quot; agreed with me, I guess it was not just a matter of taste.  Chemistry is everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I own all 4 of the perfumes mentioned in comments&#8211;new and vintage Diorling and new and vintage Diorama, and I have to say&#8211;I love all four.  No, the new ones are not a match for the amazing originals, but I find them lovely in their own right.  And when I wore the new Diorling during the sniffa in Paris, I got MANY complimets from the other perfumistas&#8211;and I smelled plenty leathery, we all thought (not floral at all).  My secrets:</p>
<p>1)  I think my often skin brings out leather (in a good way) in perfume.  But maybe not&#8211;cause I couldn&#39;t even smell the leather in the Hermes, and the new Diorling, it is clearly there.  I FAR prefer this to the H.</p>
<p>2) I really DRENCHED myself in it (if I didn&#39;t, no one could smell anything at all).  </p>
<p>Since all my fellow &#8220;sniffers&#8221; agreed with me, I guess it was not just a matter of taste.  Chemistry is everything!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly Caleche - I read more and more praise for this scent. Maybe this is a scent that one day can become a famous thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Caleche &#8211; I read more and more praise for this scent. Maybe this is a scent that one day can become a famous thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more about the difference between vintage and reissued Diorling. But it&#039;s not entirely due to the avarice of accountants deciding to have it made with cheap ingredients and thinking no one will notice because no one remembers them well enough... It&#039;s not only oakmoss-type regulations.

It&#039;s also a side-effect of a decades-old practice in perfumery: the company that employs the perfumer and manufactures the oils for, say, a couture house, is the only one to have the actual formula: Dior never saw the formula for Miss Dior, Diorissimo, etc.

Why was that? Because there was no contract between the couture house and the perfume company, so the only way the perfume company could ensure their profits is by hanging on for dear life to the formulas.

Say Edmond Roudnitska made Diorama and Diorissimo: it was actually fabricated in his factory near Grasse, but as he had rather small facilities, he subcontracted this and that bit of the formula to other Grasse labs. Now if one of those labs shuts down, the particular base that they made is lost forever. So even if Roudnitska&#039;s estate has the formula, they can&#039;t make Diorissimo or Diorama exactly like the man composed it.

In some cases, like Diorling maybe, they may not even have access to the formula at all, so they knock together a simile based on what they can do with analysis of the original. The companies that actually made it, or bits of it, may be long-gone.

This is even more striking when brands change hands -- maybe this is the case of Je Reviens, which went steadily downmarket from being a scent from the first couture house in history. The current owners are manufacturing a reproduction from an imitation from an approximation, using cheaper and cheaper ingredients at every reformulation.

So add cheapness + regulations + the tradition of secrecy in perfumery, and there you go.

All this info comes from an impeccable source, by the way: Mr Jean Kerléo, founder of the Osmothèque, whom I met last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t agree more about the difference between vintage and reissued Diorling. But it&#39;s not entirely due to the avarice of accountants deciding to have it made with cheap ingredients and thinking no one will notice because no one remembers them well enough&#8230; It&#39;s not only oakmoss-type regulations.</p>
<p>It&#39;s also a side-effect of a decades-old practice in perfumery: the company that employs the perfumer and manufactures the oils for, say, a couture house, is the only one to have the actual formula: Dior never saw the formula for Miss Dior, Diorissimo, etc.</p>
<p>Why was that? Because there was no contract between the couture house and the perfume company, so the only way the perfume company could ensure their profits is by hanging on for dear life to the formulas.</p>
<p>Say Edmond Roudnitska made Diorama and Diorissimo: it was actually fabricated in his factory near Grasse, but as he had rather small facilities, he subcontracted this and that bit of the formula to other Grasse labs. Now if one of those labs shuts down, the particular base that they made is lost forever. So even if Roudnitska&#39;s estate has the formula, they can&#39;t make Diorissimo or Diorama exactly like the man composed it.</p>
<p>In some cases, like Diorling maybe, they may not even have access to the formula at all, so they knock together a simile based on what they can do with analysis of the original. The companies that actually made it, or bits of it, may be long-gone.</p>
<p>This is even more striking when brands change hands &#8212; maybe this is the case of Je Reviens, which went steadily downmarket from being a scent from the first couture house in history. The current owners are manufacturing a reproduction from an imitation from an approximation, using cheaper and cheaper ingredients at every reformulation.</p>
<p>So add cheapness + regulations + the tradition of secrecy in perfumery, and there you go.</p>
<p>All this info comes from an impeccable source, by the way: Mr Jean Kerléo, founder of the Osmothèque, whom I met last month.</p>
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