Comments on: On wannabe perfume critics & Canada http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/ a blog about perfume Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:40:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31303 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:17:23 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31303 Something by Floris or Penhaligon's would fit the bill, I think. Lawrence of Arabia is one of my favourite films: I've seen it soooo many times. I especially love Omar's first appearance. I sometimes wish it took him even longer to shimmer into view. Something by Floris or Penhaligon's would fit the bill, I think. Lawrence of Arabia is one of my favourite films: I've seen it soooo many times. I especially love Omar's first appearance. I sometimes wish it took him even longer to shimmer into view.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31302 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:51:26 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31302 lol ! sadly, there are no Serge Lutens references in the film. I might just get a sample and douse myself anyway with that next time I watch. As long as It doesn't clash with the buttered popcorn. Maybe an aoud scent would work, too. Or Come to think of it, I would also need a layer of something veddy British, to represent the British military aspect and his transformation and search for identity. Any ideas? lol ! sadly, there are no Serge Lutens references in the film. I might just get a sample and douse myself anyway with that next time I watch. As long as It doesn't clash with the buttered popcorn. Maybe an aoud scent would work, too. Or

Come to think of it, I would also need a layer of something veddy British, to represent the British military aspect and his transformation and search for identity. Any ideas?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31301 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:44:45 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31301 Arabie by SL? ;-) Arabie by SL? ;-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31300 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:37:15 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31300 *perk* did someone mention movies? *perk* Ah, one of my other obsessions -- and a semi-professions, at that, for this Angeleno. I would love to really think, watch and compile a list of perfume references in films. I can't for the life of me think of any perfume relevance for my favorite, Lawrence of Arabia. ::thinking:: *perk*

did someone mention movies?

*perk*

Ah, one of my other obsessions — and a semi-professions, at that, for this Angeleno.

I would love to really think, watch and compile a list of perfume references in films. I can't for the life of me think of any perfume relevance for my favorite, Lawrence of Arabia. ::thinking::

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31299 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:11:19 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31299 She doesn't write about scent very often, but it is a great blog. She is up for a Weblog 2007 award in the culture category! She doesn't write about scent very often, but it is a great blog. She is up for a Weblog 2007 award in the culture category!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31298 Anonymous Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:03:27 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31298 Ooooh, perfume and movies! My two passions combined! Must check out this blog! Sounds like Mr. Pommier needs to take himself less seriously! None of the perfume bloggers I have run across try to present themselves as anything other than what they are: passionate fans of scent. Ooooh, perfume and movies! My two passions combined! Must check out this blog!

Sounds like Mr. Pommier needs to take himself less seriously! None of the perfume bloggers I have run across try to present themselves as anything other than what they are: passionate fans of scent.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31297 Anonymous Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:39:19 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31297 Wow, thanks, R.!! I will check it out. And, for "real" (!) professional film critics' reviews from across the US -- one from Canada, too! -- I get a lot of good stuff from Metacritic.com. Ebert is there among the bunch, as well as the reliable folks from the San Francisco Chronicle and Salon. Very comprehensive. Wow, thanks, R.!! I will check it out. And, for “real” (!) professional film critics' reviews from across the US — one from Canada, too! — I get a lot of good stuff from Metacritic.com. Ebert is there among the bunch, as well as the reliable folks from the San Francisco Chronicle and Salon. Very comprehensive.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31305 Anonymous Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:04:00 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31305 Very nice point about the "paradox of an industry who promoted secrecy many years", and about how much consumer confusion is due to the nonsense spouted from within the industry. Very nice point about the “paradox of an industry who promoted secrecy many years”, and about how much consumer confusion is due to the nonsense spouted from within the industry.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31296 Anonymous Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:00:35 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31296 Ok, besides your point, kind of, but check out my favorite (amateur) film blog: http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/ And the author is a perfumista as well! Ok, besides your point, kind of, but check out my favorite (amateur) film blog:

http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/

And the author is a perfumista as well!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31304 Anonymous Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:47:45 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/11/03/on-wannabe-perfume-critics-canada/#comment-31304 I can only disagree with Mr Pommier because the problem (if there would be one) is not in the blog area but in the fragrance industry. As you might know, there is no diploma recognised by the state with a title "perfumer" as it is for "architect, engineer, etc. I graduated ISIPCA-Versailles but on my paper, and on all documents of people who did their studies there, it is not written perfumer. As long as the industry will not be able to obtain, at least in France such kind of document all discutions about beeing or not a perfumer are senseles and useles. In my humble opinion at least one should be called perfumer if he/she produces/creates perfumes. To compare one with Roudnitska and to speak about art/great art is rather puerile. A perfumer who creates scents for body care / detergents are not on an inferiour grade so... even if there are indie perfumers I do not agree to disqualify them based on the "art" level. It's like saying Warhol is less good than Rubens. :) On the other hand it's also more an industry problem the fact that there is no "real critique". If you read all the profesional magazines you will never find the minimum critique of a fragrances. It's either a presentation (from the marketing/press release), either a market study putting together trends. So, when critics started to appear it was quite a surprise... Maybe nobody wanted that there would be "experts" or "critics" in the fragrance universe. As there is no certification in the field (not even schools with classes like theatre/film/art critic) anyone saying he's a critic/expert is easy to be "atacked" but also everybody can be perfumer/critic/ and to a lesser extent expert. That's the paradox of an industry who promoted secrecy many years. And ... when Mr.Pommier speaks about consumers beeing confused by trends... he forgets that those texts/rummors/buzz came from the marketing dept. of the same industry. So, in a way it's also a reaction to all the fragrances that invaded the market and all the confusion around. Maybe a lot of them are not experts or are far away but at least...their fault is not as big as what a lot of brands did in the past years with all the exagerated claims you can see/hear: from Estee Lauder in the 80s (in her autobiography) claiming she was the perfumer who made herself YouthDew & Co... to all the exotic materials/woods/headspace/extrasupernatural extracts that you can still see in some descriptions. I think that one should reflect that maybe in front of "black orchid extract" and natural jasmine from Grasse versus self proclaimed experts ... the problem is somewhere in the middle. I can only disagree with Mr Pommier because the problem (if there would be one) is not in the blog area but in the fragrance industry. As you might know, there is no diploma recognised by the state with a title “perfumer” as it is for “architect, engineer, etc. I graduated ISIPCA-Versailles but on my paper, and on all documents of people who did their studies there, it is not written perfumer. As long as the industry will not be able to obtain, at least in France such kind of document all discutions about beeing or not a perfumer are senseles and useles. In my humble opinion at least one should be called perfumer if he/she produces/creates perfumes. To compare one with Roudnitska and to speak about art/great art is rather puerile. A perfumer who creates scents for body care / detergents are not on an inferiour grade so… even if there are indie perfumers I do not agree to disqualify them based on the “art” level. It's like saying Warhol is less good than Rubens. :)

On the other hand it's also more an industry problem the fact that there is no “real critique”. If you read all the profesional magazines you will never find the minimum critique of a fragrances. It's either a presentation (from the marketing/press release), either a market study putting together trends. So, when critics started to appear it was quite a surprise…

Maybe nobody wanted that there would be “experts” or “critics” in the fragrance universe. As there is no certification in the field (not even schools with classes like theatre/film/art critic) anyone saying he's a critic/expert is easy to be “atacked” but also everybody can be perfumer/critic/ and to a lesser extent expert. That's the paradox of an industry who promoted secrecy many years.

And … when Mr.Pommier speaks about consumers beeing confused by trends… he forgets that those texts/rummors/buzz came from the marketing dept. of the same industry.

So, in a way it's also a reaction to all the fragrances that invaded the market and all the confusion around. Maybe a lot of them are not experts or are far away but at least…their fault is not as big as what a lot of brands did in the past years with all the exagerated claims you can see/hear: from Estee Lauder in the 80s (in her autobiography) claiming she was the perfumer who made herself YouthDew & Co… to all the exotic materials/woods/headspace/extrasupernatural extracts that you can still see in some descriptions.

I think that one should reflect that maybe in front of “black orchid extract” and natural jasmine from Grasse versus self proclaimed experts … the problem is somewhere in the middle.

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