Comments on: Notes on perfume and context http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/ a blog about perfume Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:27:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23366 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:50:52 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23366 Exactly -- the "deep pockets" is just priceless, pardon the very poor pun :-) Exactly — the “deep pockets” is just priceless, pardon the very poor pun :-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23365 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:07:00 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23365 Oh, I *love* that!!! Not, "customers with a more refined aesthetic," or "customers who want to stand out from the crowd," or whatever. Just customers with more dough. I will say I feel the man's being true to his vision ;-) I started to write a post called "I'm looking for something fresh" -- so named after I heard three separate women ask for that in the mall on my trip. My point was to be that there's nothing "fresh" about the scents they're considering. But I discarded the whole concept on the grounds that writing it was too depressing. Oh, I *love* that!!! Not, “customers with a more refined aesthetic,” or “customers who want to stand out from the crowd,” or whatever. Just customers with more dough. I will say I feel the man's being true to his vision ;-)

I started to write a post called “I'm looking for something fresh” — so named after I heard three separate women ask for that in the mall on my trip. My point was to be that there's nothing “fresh” about the scents they're considering. But I discarded the whole concept on the grounds that writing it was too depressing.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23374 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:02:22 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23374 No worries, R! I don't have those dates in my head either: I just knew that I'd bought my bottle in 2002 so... :-) No worries, R! I don't have those dates in my head either: I just knew that I'd bought my bottle in 2002 so… :-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23362 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:40:35 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23362 See, I assumed GPH2 was meant to make the money that GPH1 didn't, but just guessing. I don't know a thing about what sells and what doesn't. And yes, I'll give that to TF: he doesn't do silly little fresh fruity florals. See, I assumed GPH2 was meant to make the money that GPH1 didn't, but just guessing. I don't know a thing about what sells and what doesn't. And yes, I'll give that to TF: he doesn't do silly little fresh fruity florals.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23373 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:36:26 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23373 I will agree with all of that -- it is why I respect Black Orchid even though I don't want to wear it. I will agree with all of that — it is why I respect Black Orchid even though I don't want to wear it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23364 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:35:16 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23364 M, you are very kind. I'm afraid that my efforts to blog all the new releases leave me rather cranky. I begin to think there are maybe 5-6 brands that actually care about the quality of the final product, the rest are just out to make a buck. Here is TF in today's UK Times Online, this absolutely cracked me up after all the discussion here: "Having sold Gucci glamour to anyone with a few hundred quid for a handbag, Ford can afford to turn his back on the mass market. “Luckily, I’ve made enough money, so it is not my primary driver in life any more,” he says. “We’re going for fewer customers, but customers with deeper pockets.” " So...money is not important, but as long as you're going to make some more, do be sure it comes from the uber wealthy. Ah. M, you are very kind. I'm afraid that my efforts to blog all the new releases leave me rather cranky. I begin to think there are maybe 5-6 brands that actually care about the quality of the final product, the rest are just out to make a buck.

Here is TF in today's UK Times Online, this absolutely cracked me up after all the discussion here:

“Having sold Gucci glamour to anyone with a few hundred quid for a handbag, Ford can afford to turn his back on the mass market. “Luckily, I’ve made enough money, so it is not my primary driver in life any more,” he says. “We’re going for fewer customers, but customers with deeper pockets.” ”

So…money is not important, but as long as you're going to make some more, do be sure it comes from the uber wealthy. Ah.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23372 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:39:35 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23372 We could knock on all of TF's scents, I'm just sayin the man's got balls. I like that. I find that over and over these days people release "safe" scents here in america. I have smelled at least 20 new releases and thought to myself okay, it's not bad but there's nothing really special about it. And personally after smelling TF's whole line, I didn't really love any of them and hated quite a few... but none of them smell like their on the safe fence. I think he took a risk and for that I give him kudos. It's more than I can say about most other mainstream american house. Now if I could just tape his mouth up and just get to stare at him for a while I would be one happy girl... that man is HOT!!! We could knock on all of TF's scents, I'm just sayin the man's got balls. I like that. I find that over and over these days people release “safe” scents here in america. I have smelled at least 20 new releases and thought to myself okay, it's not bad but there's nothing really special about it. And personally after smelling TF's whole line, I didn't really love any of them and hated quite a few… but none of them smell like their on the safe fence. I think he took a risk and for that I give him kudos. It's more than I can say about most other mainstream american house. Now if I could just tape his mouth up and just get to stare at him for a while I would be one happy girl… that man is HOT!!!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23361 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:25:11 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23361 I think that was the big irony with B.O.--it certainly smelled mainstream, but was being sold on the high end luxury shelf. I believe that Gucci Pour Homme was well received in Europe, enough to warrant a Pour Homme II. Haven't smelled GPH II yet, but seems like they're out to capture a younger market, US blokes included, and M7 seems to still be in production in Europe along with Rive Gauche for that matter. The US market for men seems to be working on a scent re-education by reintroducing fougeres (i.e Nautica Voyage and Lucky #6) and fresh orientals (Euphoria, Kenneth Cole RSVP, ckIN2U, Polo Double Black) so there's hope on offerings for men on the horizon. I suspect the reason for the reintroduction of these scent styles back on the market in the US is because of the well received Armani Code. Back to Mr. Ford...I'll give him this. His scents will never be fun-cutesy-playful. Even Black Orchid, fruity and creamy as it is, definitely wasn't f-c-p. Perhaps Envy came close, but it didn't cross the line. I don't think he was responsible for Envy Me (or rather, I refuse to believe he was). Youth Dew Amber Nude shocked the hell out of me...Youth Dew went from spicy floral green to boozy masculine with a hint of chocolate! Rather good nonetheless IMO. I admire him for breathing new life and stirring up the waters in this stagnant fruity-floral and fresh aquatic market. Hard to believe he might be a misogynist, he makes women's clothes after all, creates a bold elegance for women as I see it. But from what I've read about him, he does seem to have a bloated ego and quite possibly an alcoholic. Hehe, this guy can really create a reaction and eclipse the intended focus on your blog...how does he do that?! I think that was the big irony with B.O.–it certainly smelled mainstream, but was being sold on the high end luxury shelf.

I believe that Gucci Pour Homme was well received in Europe, enough to warrant a Pour Homme II. Haven't smelled GPH II yet, but seems like they're out to capture a younger market, US blokes included, and M7 seems to still be in production in Europe along with Rive Gauche for that matter.

The US market for men seems to be working on a scent re-education by reintroducing fougeres (i.e Nautica Voyage and Lucky #6) and fresh orientals (Euphoria, Kenneth Cole

RSVP, ckIN2U, Polo Double Black) so there's hope on offerings for men on the horizon. I suspect the reason for the reintroduction of these scent styles back on the market in the US is because of the well received Armani Code.

Back to Mr. Ford…I'll give him this. His scents will never be fun-cutesy-playful. Even Black Orchid, fruity and creamy as it is, definitely wasn't f-c-p. Perhaps Envy came close, but it

didn't cross the line. I don't think he was responsible for Envy Me (or rather, I refuse to believe he was). Youth Dew Amber Nude shocked the hell out of me…Youth Dew went from spicy floral green to boozy masculine with a hint of chocolate! Rather good nonetheless IMO. I admire him for breathing new life and stirring up the waters in this stagnant fruity-floral and fresh aquatic market.

Hard to believe he might be a misogynist, he makes women's clothes after all, creates a bold elegance for women as I see it. But from what I've read about him, he does seem to have a bloated ego and quite possibly an alcoholic.

Hehe, this guy can really create a reaction and eclipse the intended focus on your blog…how does he do that?!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23363 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:57:00 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23363 Thanks for your thoughts -- you've been at this way longer than I have, you're my mentor, so to speak, and I value your opinion. Also, FWIW, I wouldn't have samples of much of what I have if Patty (who buys a lot for her decant biz) didn't generously supply me. In terms of releases, yes -- things are wildly out of control, and getting worse. I malled today, and there are so many new LEs/flankers/summer versions I just gave up! I mean, it's absurd. Reiterating what we said: smelling my way through the Tom Fords, several seem to be various parts of B.O., possibly considered and discarded. It will be interesting to see how they sell. I am only dabbing them on, and I think some of them, sprayed vigorously, would kill me. Thanks for your thoughts — you've been at this way longer than I have, you're my mentor, so to speak, and I value your opinion. Also, FWIW, I wouldn't have samples of much of what I have if Patty (who buys a lot for her decant biz) didn't generously supply me.

In terms of releases, yes — things are wildly out of control, and getting worse. I malled today, and there are so many new LEs/flankers/summer versions I just gave up! I mean, it's absurd.

Reiterating what we said: smelling my way through the Tom Fords, several seem to be various parts of B.O., possibly considered and discarded. It will be interesting to see how they sell. I am only dabbing them on, and I think some of them, sprayed vigorously, would kill me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23359 Anonymous Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:44:26 +0000 http://www.nstperfume.com/2007/04/27/notes-on-perfume-and-context/#comment-23359 It definitely goes for bold rather than understated. It definitely goes for bold rather than understated.

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